--- title: The Change the Game Podcast | taxes description: taxes | The Change the Game Podcast for The Great Game of Business --- [![](https://www.greatgame.com/hubfs/Templates-2020/Home/GGOB%20logo%20(1).png) ](https://www.greatgame.com/) - What Do We Do? ![](https://www.greatgame.com/hubfs/Templates-2021/DownArrowBlueLarger.svg) - [What We Do](https://www.greatgame.com/what-is-great-game-business) - [Who We Are](https://www.greatgame.com/about-great-game-business) - [Our Process](https://www.greatgame.com/about/our-process) - [Meet The Team](https://www.greatgame.com/meet-the-team) - [Why Choose Great Game?](https://www.greatgame.com/why-choose-great-game) - Resources ![](https://www.greatgame.com/hubfs/Templates-2021/DownArrowBlueLarger.svg) - [Free Tools](https://www.greatgame.com/diy-resources) - [Great Game GO](https://www.greatgame.com/community) - [Blog](https://www.greatgame.com/blog) - [Podcast](https://www.greatgame.com/podcast) - [Bonus Plan Design](https://www.greatgame.com/bonus-plan-design) - [Books](https://www.greatgame.com/books/3books) - [Videos](https://www.greatgame.com/videos) - [Testimonials and Case Studies](https://www.greatgame.com/case-studies/industry-display) - Events ![](https://www.greatgame.com/hubfs/Templates-2021/DownArrowBlueLarger.svg) - [Great Game® Conference](https://www.greatgame.com/conference-2026) - [Discover the Game: Free Intro](https://www.greatgame.com/introductory-workshop) - [Great Game® Experience Workshop](https://www.greatgame.com/great-game-experience-workshop) - [Leading the Game Cohort](https://www.greatgame.com/leading-the-game) - [See All Events](https://www.greatgame.com/event-dates) - Coaching ![](https://www.greatgame.com/hubfs/Templates-2021/DownArrowBlueLarger.svg) - [Get A Coach](https://www.greatgame.com/coaching) - [Meet the Coaches](https://www.greatgame.com/meet-the-coaches) - [Training](https://www.greatgame.com/trainings) ![](https://www.greatgame.com/hubfs/Templates-2021/HamMenuBlack.png) ![](https://www.greatgame.com/hubfs/Templates-2021/CloseButton.png) - What Do We Do? ![](https://www.greatgame.com/hubfs/Templates-2021/DownArrowBlueLarger.svg) - [What We Do](https://www.greatgame.com/what-is-great-game-business) - [Who We Are](https://www.greatgame.com/about-great-game-business) - [Our Process](https://www.greatgame.com/about/our-process) - [Meet The Team](https://www.greatgame.com/meet-the-team) - [Why Choose Great Game?](https://www.greatgame.com/why-choose-great-game) - Resources ![](https://www.greatgame.com/hubfs/Templates-2021/DownArrowBlueLarger.svg) - [Free Tools](https://www.greatgame.com/diy-resources) - [Great Game GO](https://www.greatgame.com/community) - [Blog](https://www.greatgame.com/blog) - [Podcast](https://www.greatgame.com/podcast) - [Bonus Plan Design](https://www.greatgame.com/bonus-plan-design) - [Books](https://www.greatgame.com/books/3books) - [Videos](https://www.greatgame.com/videos) - [Testimonials and Case Studies](https://www.greatgame.com/case-studies/industry-display) - Events ![](https://www.greatgame.com/hubfs/Templates-2021/DownArrowBlueLarger.svg) - [Great Game® Conference](https://www.greatgame.com/conference-2026) - [Discover the Game: Free Intro](https://www.greatgame.com/introductory-workshop) - [Great Game® Experience Workshop](https://www.greatgame.com/great-game-experience-workshop) - [Leading the Game Cohort](https://www.greatgame.com/leading-the-game) - [See All Events](https://www.greatgame.com/event-dates) - Coaching ![](https://www.greatgame.com/hubfs/Templates-2021/DownArrowBlueLarger.svg) - [Get A Coach](https://www.greatgame.com/coaching) - [Meet the Coaches](https://www.greatgame.com/meet-the-coaches) - [Training ](https://www.greatgame.com/trainings) - [Community Membership](https://www.greatgame.com/membership-purchase) - [Store](https://ggob.myshopify.com/) - [FAQ](https://www.greatgame.com/faqs) - [Become a Coach](https://www.greatgame.com/internal-coach) - [Have Us Speak at Your Event](https://www.greatgame.com/ggobspeakers) - [Trusted Partners](https://www.greatgame.com/trusted-partners) - [Search](https://www.greatgame.com/site-search) ## **![GGOB + 21 Hats-1](https://www.greatgame.com/hs-fs/hubfs/GGOB%20+%2021%20Hats-1.png?width=250&height=81&name=GGOB%20+%2021%20Hats-1.png) **   ## **About Our Podcasts** Podcasts for entrepreneurs, business owners, and leaders. These messages are brought to you directly from CEOs and business thinkers to help build healthier companies, better businesses, and better lives for both you and your employees.   ## [Clients and Taxes and Bears, Oh My!](https://www.greatgame.com/podcast/clients-and-taxes-and-bears-oh-my) ![Loren Feldman](https://www.greatgame.com/hubfs/LF.jpg)   ***Introduction:*** This week, Jaci Russo explains how she put an end to her eight-month drought of new clients. Jennifer Kerhin takes us through the bureaucratic nightmare of managing remote workers based out of state (“That is a headache that I don’t wish on my worst enemy,” says Jaci, who has found a way to sidestep the problem). And Liz Picarazzi brings us up to date on her ongoing struggle to get her trash enclosures certified as bear-resistant. The common thread to these challenges may lie in these two questions: When is continuing to fight the good fight the definition of entrepreneurship? And when is it the definition of insanity? Plus: Why does it cost so much to exhibit at a trade show? And did you know that as recently as 35 years ago, there were still laws on the books requiring women to have a male relative cosign on a business loan? Those laws are now gone, thankfully, but Jaci, Jennifer, and Liz can all attest that that kind of paternalism is very much alive and well. **— Loren Feldman** *** *** ## [ESOP Roundtable 2](https://www.greatgame.com/podcast/episode53) ![The Great Game™ Team](https://www.greatgame.com/hubfs/GGOB-logo-author.jpg) This episode of the Change The Game Podcast is from a previously recorded live roundtable event with three Great Game of Business practitioners sharing their different stories of being an ESOP. [![Click to Listen](https://no-cache.hubspot.com/cta/default/2628288/7633bc40-f5d0-4d0b-8d19-7e63f15440af.png)](https://cta-redirect.hubspot.com/cta/redirect/2628288/7633bc40-f5d0-4d0b-8d19-7e63f15440af) ## [ESOP Roundtable](https://www.greatgame.com/podcast/episode44) ![The Great Game™ Team](https://www.greatgame.com/hubfs/GGOB-logo-author.jpg) This episode of the Change The Game Podcast is a recording of a live roundtable event discussing the benefits and pitfalls of being an ESOP company. It is not required to be an ESOP company to enjoy the benefits of the Great Game of Businesses practices and principles, but they definitely pair well together. [![Click to Listen](https://no-cache.hubspot.com/cta/default/2628288/a545ec01-368a-4a20-b934-5aa08fea4ef5.png)](https://cta-redirect.hubspot.com/cta/redirect/2628288/a545ec01-368a-4a20-b934-5aa08fea4ef5) ### [EP 19 - January 8, 2021](https://www.greatgame.com/podcast/episode19-1) ## [Navigating the Pandemic in 2021 with Nathan Fitzgerald, CPA](https://www.greatgame.com/podcast/episode19-1) ![Nathan Fitzgerald](https://www.greatgame.com/hubfs/nathan_fitzgerald_header-1-1.png) ***Nathan Fitzgerald a Private Client Services Advisor for BKD ***discusses the impact Covid has had on businesses and what to expect in the coming year.  [![Click to Listen](https://no-cache.hubspot.com/cta/default/2628288/62123d62-3f05-45b4-ad98-ad9aec32c138.png)](https://cta-redirect.hubspot.com/cta/redirect/2628288/62123d62-3f05-45b4-ad98-ad9aec32c138) [All posts](https://www.greatgame.com/podcast/all) ## About The Podcast ![GGOB + 21 Hats-1](https://www.greatgame.com/hs-fs/hubfs/GGOB%20+%2021%20Hats-1.png?width=400&height=129&name=GGOB%20+%2021%20Hats-1.png) The Great Game of Business has partnered with [21 Hats](https://21hats.com/) to bring the 21 Hats Podcast to all entrepreneurs in The Great Game of Business community! 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